tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post8086505845199442975..comments2024-03-28T03:30:37.681-04:00Comments on It's Not Part of the Game...: Hockey Players Fight Because They Can.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06422548471006288988noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-9281191403821244402018-12-31T11:10:41.205-05:002018-12-31T11:10:41.205-05:00I'll be honest with you tho I'm 16 and I&#...I'll be honest with you tho I'm 16 and I'm not all that bright so if you can try to dumb it down for me in a way that i can understand I know it might not be important but I do have ADHD so it's hard to understand certain things and explain them in a way that makes sense....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-27297174920311346372018-12-31T11:02:10.272-05:002018-12-31T11:02:10.272-05:00I love going to an article that isn't what i w...I love going to an article that isn't what i want especially when i look up what myths surround violence in hockey and I get a bunch of avoiding the question or explanations about players and how violent they are answer the damn question!!!!!<br /><br />WHAT MYTHS SURROUND VIOLENCE IN HOCKEY?<br /><br />that is what i want to know not anything more or less... Help a guy out....<br />this is for my culminating and I've been stuck on this damn question for 7 damn days... i only have 7 days left before i have to hand it in....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-11020235681368118842013-02-17T02:10:00.201-05:002013-02-17T02:10:00.201-05:00Fortunately there are many other sports willing to...Fortunately there are many other sports willing to meet your desire to see men punching each other. Boxing and MMA leap to mind. That way you can leave hockey to those of us who enjoy hockey.Iain Fyffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700943806242207382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-11631721253375280102012-10-27T16:36:25.586-04:002012-10-27T16:36:25.586-04:00Hey anonymous. How about backing up your arguments...Hey anonymous. How about backing up your arguments with some facts? I played hockey also and there was absolutely no need for the extracurricular bullshit!! What a waste of time!!! You want fighting, go watch boxing or UFC!! Biscuithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17352444911901975309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-61944926400980765042012-10-04T18:29:05.257-04:002012-10-04T18:29:05.257-04:00I agree with you that a player dedicated to breaki...I agree with you that a player dedicated to breaking the rules is not in any way, shape or form positive. These players are also the ones committing the non fighting PIMs, because they have no other method of playing defense (this isn't exhaustively researched, I'll try to find a way to look it up). This role has no place in hockey, or any other sport (though they all have examples). <br /><br />However, a player who is able to fight well while being able to skate with the snipers and playmakers to avoid taking unnecessary penalties are valuable and have the positive impact I tried to describe before. The "smart foul" argument was in response to the notion that a team needs to rely on fighting or emotion, and isn't anywhere near the center of my argument. Sorry if I was unclear on that.ThirdLineHeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-85250038712646348672012-10-04T18:11:32.529-04:002012-10-04T18:11:32.529-04:00If your position relies on your belief that fighti...If your position relies on your belief that fighting is a "smart foul" then it's on pretty shakey ground. There is nothing smart about dropping the gloves. Let's look beyond the injury factor - 8% of concussions were caused by fights according to NHL reports. In an earlier post I published data from 12 NHL seasons that showed when fights per game dropped, non-fighting PIMs also dropped. That same post also showed that teams that fought the most also earned more non-fighting PIMs; tripping, slashing, boarding, spearing, etc. Multiple studies by various sports journalists have also demonstrated that teams with an active enforcer have been less successful over the past 20 years, generally bacause they have to kill more penalties than their opponents. What is "smart" about employing a player whose primary role is to break the rules and put your team at a disadvantage?<br /><br />Sorry, fighting exists in the game because of some misguided belief that it actually has some positive impact. If you look at the facts and study the issue rationally then you discover that hockey players fight because they can, not because they should.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06422548471006288988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-21485372455396970162012-10-04T17:53:35.762-04:002012-10-04T17:53:35.762-04:00All sports have "smart" fouls/penalties/...All sports have "smart" fouls/penalties/infractions, though. The safety over the top in football may take a holding penalty to prevent a sure touchdown catch, a point guard may take a reaching penalty to prevent a fast break the other way in basketball, pitchers intentionally hit batters in baseball... the list goes on. It's all a matter of strategy and weighing the lost yardage/free throws/automatic bases/five minutes in the box against the potential gains. <br /><br />All sports involve acts that, off the playing surface, would be deemed illegal or inadvisable. Lawrence Taylor and Brian Mullen could never have inflicted the damage they did to a civilian and gotten away with it and more than Brent Johnson (to DiPietro) or Arron Asham (to Jay Beagle). I don't expect auto racing groups to post speed limits that would be reasonable off track, and I don't expect prizefighters to stop punching because they would get in trouble if they did it outside the ring. Hockey is no different, and while the culture shifting towards safety is an immeasurably positive one, removing fighting entirely is not the correct answer. ThirdLineHeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-22165148690200006492012-10-03T01:09:44.683-04:002012-10-03T01:09:44.683-04:00Well said, random anonymous internet guy. You'...Well said, random anonymous internet guy. You've really given us something to think about.Iain Fyffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700943806242207382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-18317072492676727122012-10-03T01:08:50.737-04:002012-10-03T01:08:50.737-04:00If your team needs illegal tactics in order to be ...If your team needs illegal tactics in order to be properly motivated, then that's a problem with your team.<br />Iain Fyffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700943806242207382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-42281349230523219572012-10-03T01:07:26.389-04:002012-10-03T01:07:26.389-04:00Factually incorrect. Fighting has not "always...Factually incorrect. Fighting has not "always" been part of the game.Iain Fyffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700943806242207382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-90413226656215637982012-10-03T01:06:38.865-04:002012-10-03T01:06:38.865-04:00Articulate.Articulate.Iain Fyffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700943806242207382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-39625280793292534742012-10-02T20:44:39.829-04:002012-10-02T20:44:39.829-04:00Paul, you are exactly right.
No other sport, incl...Paul, you are exactly right.<br /><br />No other sport, including football, in which hitting is a prime objective, allows behavior that would be criminal in any other setting. The idea that it relieves other types of violence is ludicrous. But you can see from these responses that it will be tough to get it out of the game because it sells.<br /><br />I think ultimatelt it will be banned because of the damage it does to players' health, and some class-action lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-50994684543322706842012-10-02T17:48:19.918-04:002012-10-02T17:48:19.918-04:00I've played hockey, broken an orbital bone fro...I've played hockey, broken an orbital bone from fighting. It belongs. It's too violent and fast of a game to not have fighting. I'd even say eliminate the instigator rule to slow down more of these cheap headshots. No penalty, or suspension, will slow down any player. Look at the head hit Hossa took. Torres wasn't penalized on the play, the Hawks were for instigating though. Phoenix got a power play out of that!!!! And Hossa got a concussion. Don't talk about hockey anymore, you've never played at any sort of competitive level, you're not an expert. <br /><br />I'm sick of these men sports reports sounding like moms for these professional atheletes. They are not babies, they know exactly what their profession entails, and are well equipped to take care of themselves. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-8055347413104149502012-10-02T16:30:22.275-04:002012-10-02T16:30:22.275-04:00So, what you're saying is that you have no ide...So, what you're saying is that you have no idea what you're talking about and are most likely not even qualified to write about hockey as a profession or even a hobby since you seem to believe that fighting is not only allowed but very much encouraged in the junior hockey ranks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-30303195519070457962012-10-02T16:14:01.566-04:002012-10-02T16:14:01.566-04:00I think it is a little simplistic to say players f...I think it is a little simplistic to say players fight simply "because they can". I am in favor of fighting in the NHL, because I think it serves a valuable purpose to put an send a shockwave of emotion through the team and the fans. In a game like hockey, where team energy level can make or break the outcome, Having that outlet and that opportunity kick everybody into the next gear is incredibly valuable. Also, if a teammate of yours is being harassed by an opponent, challenging them to drop the gloves forces them back to playing hockey rather than relying on intimidation to gain an edge.<br /><br />I believe there is an important distinction between the enforcers, who are mostly just pylons for opposing teams to maneuver around, and players who actively contribute to their team while providing the toughness to defend teammates and provide a spark. The difference between a player like McSorley (referencing a previous article of yours) or Milan Lucic (referencing the poster above) and Stu Grimson or Cam Janssen is that the former two players actively contribute(d) to their teams' scoring potential while protecting his linemates. If someone hits Gretzky or Seguin, retribution will be swift and painful, so opponents are forced to match their skill level rather than try to drag everyone down. Grimson and Janssen, on the other hand, actively detract(ed) from their teams' scoring potential. They will not be on the ice when Selanne or Kovalchuk gets mauled or potentially injured, so there is little to lose for opponents to take a few liberties, which is when the situation quickly escalates into a disaster and someone gets injured. <br /><br />Fighting is still a necessary part of my NHL as I watch it, though my preference would be to see players tough enough to stand up for each other while still contributing to the beautiful side of hockey, rendering the enforcer role useless and raising the overall quality of the sport.ThirdLineHeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-68883198820087388282012-10-02T15:42:32.281-04:002012-10-02T15:42:32.281-04:00Fortunately there are a myriad of lesser sports wi...Fortunately there are a myriad of lesser sports willing to meet your request for no fighting. Hockey is the one actually serving (well, lockout aside) those of us who do not mind it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-7738531741685219822012-10-02T15:25:58.269-04:002012-10-02T15:25:58.269-04:00"It's not part of the game"
No wait ..."It's not part of the game"<br />No wait ... it actually is, and always has been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-77961673082894402742012-10-02T15:15:15.589-04:002012-10-02T15:15:15.589-04:00You seem to be arguing against a phenomenon that i...You seem to be arguing against a phenomenon that is rare-ish and getting rarer--the spark the team because we're down a goal fight. This is a bit like arguing against cycling because of what unicyclists do.<br /><br />The vast majority of fights occur as a response to other in-game violence, either just previous, or earlier in the game. Eliminating fighting will cause these incidents to go up, and more guys will be on IR with head injuries, not less. There's a reason Tyler Seguin doesn't get run (and thus, hurt) and it's not because he's super-elusive. It's because he skates on a line with a guy with the capability to and no compunctions against battering whoever runs him onto the injured reserve list.<br /><br />Put another way, do you think Dan Boyle will ever start a scrum (not a fight) with Erik Karlsson again? The penalty for that was a concussion from Chris Neil and a complete embarrassment in front of about 2 million viewers when Matt Carkner dropped the gloves and rode him like a donkey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3692148900807779.post-42167971890023002242012-10-02T15:02:49.092-04:002012-10-02T15:02:49.092-04:00Shut up.Shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com